i want to hit on something you said earlier that it is current law if we do nothing the bush tax cuts expire and rates go up. is that fancy footwork? >> i'll let grover speak for himself. >> i will try to get as much spending cuts as i can. i'm not voting to raise taxes. i have never advocated that we should. it's a mistake. it's a spending problem. entitlement reform problem. we're going to have revenue on the table whether we want it or not. i don't think if i allowed tax rates to go up on 90% of the american people or 98% of them when i could stop it, how would letting taxes go up be a violation or make the tax cuts a violation? that's inconsistent. one other item is the payroll tax. nobody seems to be talking about that. if the pledge applies to one, it applies to the other. >> it would be much easier if we didn't have all the temporary measures or pledges. mr. yoho, have you ever spoken to grover norquist? >> i have had the opportunity to speak to him. icon vaed my feelings. he seemed okay with that. i agree with congressman cole. we have a spending problem in this country. we've